Music Business Facts- with Rodney Holder (general)


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Chris Boardman, Sebastian Wolff, and Xiao'an Li welcome you to Business Skills For Composers - a Facebook group for composers where discussions center solely around business related practices. It doesn't matter how much or how little experience you have - everyone is welcome to post in line with the group rules and requirements. You will be safe from judgement. A rising tide raises all ships. Let's not compete in a race to the bottom, but push each other to greater heights instead!

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  • Just under 5000 members.
  • My first 4 way live interview.
  • 3 of the admins of the group.
  • Sebastian Wolff - Seattle based, licencing & royalties.
  • Chris Boardman - University lecturer at University of Miami
  • Xiao’an Li -  (C Ow Anne) - Live presentations

During the interview we discuss a number of cool topics such as:

  • Song writing
  • Royalties
  • Music for film, TV and games
  • Commissions
  • Copyright and intellectual property in the United States
  • Music licensing
  • Performance rights organisations
  • Business skills
  • Opportunities for composers - like creating audio brands
  • A.I
  • And especially interesting, as the conversation has a US focus, the differences within different territories

So without further delay here’s my conversation with Sebastian Wolff, Chris Boardman, and Xiao’an Li from Business Skills For Composers. I hope you enjoy it!

Also, I’ve started my own music business Facebook group. I’ve called it the Music Industry Entrepreneurs Association and we're having some cool discussions in there. If you’d like to check it out then visit

Thanks so much again for listening. I really appreciate your support and I hope you got something out of today’s episode. If you haven’t already subscribed to the show - search me in either iTunes or Stitcher Radio and that way you’ll never miss an episode.

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My Guest today is Rob Carroll.

Rob Carroll is the Managing Director of a Sydney based boutique PR and management company called Rare Finds.

Rare Finds aims to foster a scene within the local indie music community as well as provide unique touring opportunities for emerging artists - specifically on the east coast of Australia.

Rare Finds specialise in digital music servicing, management, consultancy, publicity, label services, and event production.

Rare Finds is also a subsidiary of Chugg Entertainment and for those of you who don’t know - Michael Chugg is a behemoth of a player in The Aussie music scene. They call Chuggy “The Godfather Of Australian Touring”.

And I was actually lucky enough to interview Michael Chugg way back in episode 3 of Music Business Facts:

Now that one is still an awesome interview but it’s frigging hilarious.

Anyhow, here’s my interview with Rob Carroll of Rare Finds- I hope you enjoy it.

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112. Nick Findlay- How To Get Your Music Played On Triple J

Nick Findlay has been working in radio since he was 16 and has been at Triple J for over 10 years. He is currently the station's Music Director.

In this interview Nick describes the best practises when pitching music to radio. He also tells us the strategies he recommends artists employ when they are looking to get their music played on Triple J.

This information could also obviously be used when pitching music to any radio station throughout the world.

There is also a free report which is the highlights of the interview. This can be obtained from


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James Newcomb is the CEO of a podcast that helps musicians navigate music entrepreneurship. In this episode Rodney and James discuss issues surrounding the musician as an entrepreneur.

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Carl Neumann who is the owner and director of Heavy Magazine. Heavy is a digital Australian music resource, podcast, blog and more.

In this episode of Music Business Facts we discuss 'pitching' your products and services to industry gatekeepers.

Carl tells us how to obtain attention in a crowded marketplace and how to attract publicity opportunities for your music, shows and clients.


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Phil Bauer is the Director Of New Business development @ CD Baby. CD Baby is a global digital distributor of online music. The represent over 650 000 recording artists and 100 000 songwriters.


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My guest today is Tony Boden.

Tony is a UK booking agent, promoter and head of European touring at - a company who look after an enormous roster of artists from all over the globe.

Recently I was able to sit down and have a one on one with Tony about his experiences, thoughts and opinions on the music business. And it was a great conversation.

In this episode we talk about being a booking agent, what they do, how to become one, being a concert promoter and all of the risks you face as a promoter - after all concert promoters are the ‘gamblers’ of the music business.

Tony’s doing some great things in the music industry and I hope you’ll agree that this is yet another interesting and informative episode of Music Business Facts.


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Maya Janeska is the General Manager of UNFD - one of Australia’s leading heavy music brands – focusing on releasing and developing Rock, Metal, Punk and Hardcore music from around the world. She’s also one of the only woman to be the head of a record label in Australia.

She’s got a ton of industry experience, is an extremely smart music business woman, and as she told me prior to our conversation, she practices Krav Maga so you wouldn’t want to mess with her!

Anyhow a few weeks back I was lucky enough to catch up with Maya at the BigSound Music Conference where I was able to ask her a ton of questions about the industry, her opinions, and about the ins and outs of running a successful record label.

I really enjoyed meeting and talking with Maya and I hope you’ll agree that my conversation with her exposes a ton of music business gold nuggets. In fact if you’re interested I’ve created a free PDF of Maya Janeska’s Top 8 Music Business Tips and Strategies. And you can get hold of that report on Maya’s show notes page at

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You know, one of the many things that I absolutely love about podcasting as a medium is it’s ability, not only to network and connect with people on what is often a much deeper level, but also during that connection, the podcast format allows my guests to really dive deeper into their wealth of experiences, opinions, wisdom and knowledge. That’s what this podcast is all about people! To enable in-depth practical learning, for both myself and for you, and to get educated about the music business from some of the smartest minds and heaviest hitters in the industry.

I think today’s episode of Music Business Facts really highlights all of that with my interview with Matt Rogers- The Chief Operating Officer From The UNIFIED Music Group.

Now, if you’ve never heard of Matt, as I mentioned he’s The COO of UNIFIED. I found Matt to be a really cool guy, a really smart guy, (he’s also a music lawyer), humble and welcoming. In this conversation he digs deep into some really interesting and important topics, including the importance of protecting the value of copyright and getting legislators on side to protect the industry.


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My guest today is Mr Eddie Meehan, and people what a great and interesting guest Eddie was.

Eddie runs a company called Wonderful Union who are a multi-tiered agency that handle VIP ticketing initiatives, fan clubs, exclusive meet-and-greets and many more cool fan engagement ideas for some of the biggest names in music. We’re talking about The Taylor Swift’s, The Justin Bieber’s, The Back Street Boys & The Drake’s of this world, just to name a few.

Wonderful Union is not only working with these titans of the industry, they’re also always looking for new artists on the rise. So check out Eddie’s company at

Now as you’ll hear, Eddie is not only a really down to earth guy but also a really smart and inspiring businessman. And I really enjoyed my conversation with Eddie as I learnt a ton of really cool shit about music business monetisation methods and strategies. So a lot of really cool music biz education take-away’s in this episode people!

Direct download: 103._Eddie_Meehan.mp3
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Rod Yates is the editor of Rolling Stone Magazine Australia. In this special edition of Rod Yates will disclose strategies on how to get your music featured in major music media outlets.

G’day ladies and gentlemen, Rodney Holder here and welcome to the Music Business Facts podcast the show where I do the best I can to bring you the truths about trying to monetise your passion for the music biz.

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Ok a few months back I ran an online summit where some of my music industry expert mates came on and gave some lectures. And today I’m replaying one such lecture with my good buddy Rod Yates who is the editor of Rolling Stone Magazine Australia.


Rod and I go back many years, we’re both from good old Canberra, and Rod and I played shows when my band Alchemist played gigs with his band who were called Henry’s Anger, and they were a great band- go and google em.

Anyhow Rod has now become a gate keeper if you like for one of the world’s most prestigious music print media brands. He’s the editor of Rolling Stone Magazine Australia, and even during this hectic period of digital disruption, Rolling Stone seems to be holding it’s own.

So I suppose this talk is a bit of an interrogation. I branded it as How To Get Your Music Featured In Major Music Outlets. And I think Rod gives a pretty good insight into how to go about trying to do that so I hope you enjoy the replay.

And without further delay- here’s my presentation with Rod Yates from Rolling Stone Magazine Australia.

Well there you have it ladies and gents. I hope you agree that there’s some pretty good take away’s from that discussion.

As always I’d love to know your thoughts and you can hit me up at

And if you’d like some highlights of the shownotes head over to music and type in rod yates into the search bar.

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Ok until next time people thanks so much for listening, I really appreciate your time and again, I hope you got some value from the presentation.

Until the next episode here’s today’s quote.

Without vision, even the most focused passion is a battery without a device.

Ken Auletta


This is Rodney Holder for

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Tommy Darker is a Greek and London-based musician and entrepreneur. A "Musicpreneur"- A term Tommy is often credited for making popular. Tommy is also a music business lecturer. Tommy lectures in music business studies at The University Of Westminster in the UK and he obviously knows his stuff.

Hello and Welcome to The Music Business Facts Podcast.

I’m Rodney Holder and it’s my mission to, as best as possible, try and discover the intricacies and realities of how to monetize your passion for the music business.

So whether you’re a songwriter, a performer, a manager or an agent, a promoter or a publisher, you run a label or any other entrepreneurial venture trying to commercially succeed in and around the music industry, or perhaps you’re a student of the music business, then this podcast is absolutely for you. I have made this show for you so welcome,

And this episode of Music Business Facts is proudly brought to by Audible.

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I’ve taken up the offer myself because I generally hate the radio and love listening to audio books when I’m driving in the car. It’s my continuous self-development ritual. And right now I’m listening to a really inspiring book Titled “Deep Work” by Cal Newport, and I’m really digging it and would totally recommend it. So yes- check out the offer at and get your free audio book today.

Ok today’s guest and Music Business Expert is Tommy Darker.

Tommy Darker is a Greek and London-based musician and entrepreneur. A Musicpreneur- A term Tommy is often credited for making popular. And like me Tommy is also a music business lecturer. Tommy lectures in music business studies at The University Of Westminster in the UK and he obviously knows his stuff.

And Tommy’s also got some really cool free resources over at his website at Marketing Plans, and business model case studies, and a variety of great stuff so I do encourage you to check it all out out over at so go and grab some quality freebies there.

Anyhow in this episode I had a great chat with Tommy where we discuss a number of interesting things and takeaways for you guys including music business models, marketing strategies, goal setting, music education, and a whole lot more good stuff.

So I really hope you enjoy our conversation as much as I enjoyed conducting it.

So without further ado, here’s my chat with Tommy Darker. Please enjoy.


So there you go guys I hope you learnt something from my talk with Tommy.

And again, if you are interested in hearing Tommy present his “How To Make A Profit Performing Live In 100 Days”, he’ll be hosting that presentation with Gabi Huckins who is a licensing expert who looks after the catalogues of artists like The Rolling Stones and Black Sabbath. So that’s going to be very cool and very high level information.

So if that’s something that you’re interested in attending then head over to and enter the code MFB20 to receive $20 off the admission price.

And don’t forget that it’s not just going to be a great Masterclass, it’s also going to be a 100-day challenge, where you join, you’ll be forced to have identified revenue streams for your live performances, drafted a mini-tour plan, and prepared a strategy to make a profit by performing. And it’ll all be backed up with feedback from the instructor and you’ll also receive an accountability partner. And I’m going to be one of those partners so I think it’s a really interesting idea that will really educate and motivate you to getting you closer to undertaking a profitable live performance or tour within 100 days.

And yes it is a paid course, the package starts at $97, but as Tommy and I discussed in this podcast, music education is expensive, at least here in Australia, and if you do want to learn from industry experts, and you would like some professional accountability to hold you towards implementing your goals, then it is such a minimal investment and if you’re serious about your career you should be prepared to back yourself and invest in your own education.

So once again, with a checkout code of mbf20 to receive $20 off the price.

As always all of this information is available in the show notes over at music business, and you can always get in touch with me at

And I love hearing from people who listen to the show so pop over and say g’day.

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And people if you’re undertaking any venture where you are trying to provide value to people’s lives then I encourage you to setup a free account that enables your super fans to help you out financially if they desire.

As Amanda Palmer discussed in her awesome Ted Talk – Don’t ask people to pay, give people ways to pay if they have received enough value that they want to.

And thanks to everyone who has contributed to the show.

Ok it’s great to back and I look forward to talking to you all again soon on the next episode of Music Business Facts.


Rodney Holder \m/

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Ladies and gentlemen, I feel very privileged to have been able to speak with Mr. Jaddan Comerford who is the founder and CEO of Unified- a music company that provides a range of services including management, label, publishing, touring, festivals and merchandise to a diverse roster of internationally recognised and awarded artists.

I really do hold Jaddan in high regard. As I mention in the interview I get to meet so many aspiring music business wanna-be’s, particularly in the Australian heavy music scene, and very few are able to go on with a career, let alone start up an enormously successful company that services most facets of the music business.

As always I love hearing from you people so if you’d like to ever reach out you can email me at or or you get in contact via social media:



If you’ve ever listen to any of my podcast or webinars and learnt something or enjoyed the information and your feeling tipsy, then you can always send me a gift at

Thanks to those of you who do donate to the show it’s always appreciated.


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Today the wonderful person that I’ve connected with is Music Publicist and PR Strategist Angela Mastrogiacomo from Muddy Paw PR- Check her services out at

Now Angela is an absolutely wonderful person and I really enjoyed speaking with her. And we had a really awesome chat about the incredibly important topic of music publicity (surprise surprise). And as I often do- I threw in a few tricky and personal questions, and in this interview Angela gave me some awesome and really honest answers. She also provides a fantastic look into the world of what it’s like to be a music publicist, and gives some great advice for any of you people when it comes to using a publicist’s services.




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Today I have a great treat for you. My guest today is Chris Gero. Not only is Chris a great and very humble bloke, but he’s also the Vice President of Yamaha Corporation USA. So I feel very lucky to have had the opportunity to speak with this guy and be able to share that conversation with you.

Among other things Chris is also the Yamaha Artist Relations Executive and the founder of the Yamaha Entertainment Group. He is a Record Label Executive, Concert Producer, Film Director and Record Producer.

He's a really smart guy, and as I mentioned- very humble! During this interview, Chris gives me some really great insights and tips on how to approach potential sponsors- what to do and more importantly what not to do. We speak about a lot of other really cool stuff too but I really think that the gold in this conversation is Chris’ advice and take-aways about how to play it when you’re looking to get a sponsorship or endorsement.






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Stephen Green is managing director of the SGC Media Group which umbrellas music marketing companies SGC, Title Track, Music Send and Collision Course (Episode 67 with Tim Price). SGC Media Group brings radio, TV, print, online and socials together to offer forward-thinking strategy and execution for labels and artists. Stephen also sits on the board of QMusic and ICIP, is a Music Australia councilor and is a previous BIGSOUND programmer. 

If you’re listening to this and you’ve got the thought that you might like to become a publicist- there’s a ton of great information. In fact just the other day I was speaking with one of my music business diploma students who was considering publicity as a career after study, and after I played him this exact interview his mind was made up!

I'd love to hear what you though of the episode, you can contact me at




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Chuck Billy is the lead vocalist for the American pioneering thrash metal band Testament. Although Testament's line up has changed over the years, Chuck has remained one of the constant members of the band that formed way back in 1986. That’s 30 years in the music business people- A very impressive feat to still be going and to still remain relevant in the often superficial world that is the music industry.

As you’ll hear in my interview, one of the super important reasons that Chuck, along with his long standing band mate Eric Peterson have been able to continue with Testament, and continue making money, is because they learned about the music business.


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My guest today Steve Palfreyman is an artist, business coach, and entrepreneur who specialises in helping people succeed in business and music. He is the owner of and recently conducted “The Music Launch Summit”, a huge and highly successful free online music business conference where he interrogated over 51 music business professionals on success strategies for the music industry. This included managers, agents, publicists, promoters, marketers, industry specialists and entrepreneurs- it really was incredible and highly educational!

I thought I’d get Steve on the show to introduce him to you, find out a little bit about him and see if I could get some of the takeaways he learned from speaking with so many high level music industry pro’s, and Steve was very happy to oblige.



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DW Norton is the guitarist, major songwriter, and founding member of Australian Nu Metal band Superheist. DW is also an accomplished audio engineer and producer who has worked with many successful pioneering Australian metal bands like Damaged, Destroyer 666, and my band Alchemist to name a few.

During this episode we discuss numerous music business related topics including copyright ownership, line up changes, record deals, music publishing, and the huge mistakes that Superheist made.




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This episodes guest is Budi Voogt, a successful digital music marketing expert and entrepreneur. He’s also an artist manager, runs his own record label, is a prolific blogger on the music business, and runs his own music marketing academy- where he offers some great music industry online training that contains some really cool content!

Budi gives a great interview and I think he gave you guys some very interesting, and I would say cutting edge, marketing strategies to consider and possibly implement. So listen intently to this one! 

I always love your feedback and you can always hit me up at or on Facebook at Music Business Facts.


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Kevin Thomas is the CEO of - an awesome online training resource where he teaches both aspiring and established songwriters how to improve their song writing skills and reach their musical goals. Kevin is also the author of Melody Madness, a renowned book that explores in meticulous detail ways in which songwriters can master the often-elusive process of melody writing.

Song Writing Planet, provides video courses and training to help aspiring songwriters reach their musical goals.

Kevin will provide some free live online training on:

  • Wednesday August 24th at 6pm USA Time (Thursday 25th at 11am AEST Sydney Time)
  • Thursday August 25st 7pm AEST Sydney Time

His lecture is titled, "How To Dramatically Improve Your Song writing Skills And Write Significantly Better Music". For more info head the show notes at



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Rosemary Anner is a successful music teacher who has literally taught thousands of students. And through teaching music Rosemary has been able to generate an incredible income and lifestyle that has allowed her to work part time, pay off her home in under 5 years, live debt free, take regular international holidays and enjoy the lifestyle she desires. As a struggling music student, Rosemary experienced a variety of low-paying student jobs, which only fuelled her commitment to making music her sole source of income.




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Sarah Hamilton is the Client Manager for Ditto Music Australia. Ditto are a Professional Online Music Distribution service who helps independent artists distribute their music globally to platforms such as iTunes, Spotify, Shazam and hundreds of others. So if you want to get your music aggregated online- then I can’t recommend Sarah highly enough.

You can contact Sarah at and tell her Rodney sent you. I promise you she’ll do an amazing job.

Today I present to you Sarah’s awesome presentation she delivered at my online music business summit aptly titled “How To Successfully get your Music Online and Heard”.


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Sarah Hamilton is the Client Manager for Ditto Music Australia. Ditto are a Professional Online Music Distribution service who helps independent artists distribute their music globally to platforms such as iTunes, Spotify, Shazam and hundreds of others.

If you want to get your music aggregated and streaming online- then I can’t recommend Sarah highly enough. You can contact Sarah at and tell her Rodney sent you. I promise you she’ll do an amazing job!

Sarah is also the creator of an amazingly cool and informative blog where she features the profiles of successful women in the Australian music scene. Go and check it out!

And a few months back Sarah also gave an incredible lecture at my online Music Business Summit on how to get your music online. So today's podcast with Sarah will be part one of a two part feature on Sarah. So make sure you catch part two which will be out in the very near future.


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Concert organisation and promotion has always been a huge passion of mine! So today I was stoked to be lucky enough to speak with a guy that’s been running one of the worlds biggest music festivals for over three decades- truly amazing!

Bob Babisch is that man, and what a wonderful and down to earth bloke he is! Bob runs Summerfest- go check it out at

He has worked in the music industry for 41 years – 37 of them booking Summerfest, “The World’s Largest Music Festival” in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. In that time Babisch has booked some of the biggest acts on the planet including Paul McCartney, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Pearl Jam, Tina Turner, and Prince.

If you'd like to get in contact with me, or if I can ever help you, or you have some ideas for guests or topics that you’d like me to cover then hit me up at


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Glen Drover is a successful Canadian musician probably best known as the former lead guitarist for thrash metal icons Megadeth. He also played with King Diamond and did a couple of stints with metal acts Testament and Queensryche.

He is currently a successful producer, session player and music teacher who has a lot of practical high level experience in the music business.

If you enjoyed this episode I'd love to hear from you. You can contact me at and at all the following links:


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Paul Wiltshire has produced and composed music for a number of successful artists including The Backstreet Boys, Human Nature, Delta Goodrem, Guy Sebastian & Shannon Noll to name a few.  

He has also worked with hit-making production team “The Matrix” whose credits include Avril LavigneKorn and Hilary Duff).

PAUL WILTSHIRE is also the CEO & founder of Songtradr, a marketplace platform for trading and licensing music rights. The platform solves the difficulties and problems associated with rights transactions and provides creators and owners with a single destination to manage their business. 

If you enjoyed this episode please let me know by getting in contact via the usual methods or email me at:


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The Runaways are one of the most influential bands of the 70’s- certainly the most influential all girl band of any era. And my guest today is the original lead vocalist of that group- the lovely Cherie Currie, and what a story she has to tell. Like I mentioned The Runaways basically rocked the music industry to their core with their attitude fueled performances and sexually explicit lyrics- all being fronted by a 15 year old Cherie Currie. They were wild, and drug fueled, and presented to the world as basically 'jailbait'! If you’ve seen the awesome film titled “The Runaways”, which is partially based on Currie’s brutally honest memoir then you’ll know what I’m talking about. And if you haven’t seen it – go see it!

Cherie is touring Australia in a few weeks so if you’re interested her show dates are available in the show notes at:!

I hope you enjoy my conversation with this living rock legend. 


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My podcast today is about How to Start and Operate a Successful Independent Recording Studio, and today I talk with not one but two guests.

Rohan Sforcina and Rob Vasey come from an awesome little music studio just 30 minutes drive north of Melbourne, VIC called Four Hundered Acres Recording Studio. You can check out the awesome facilities by going to, or by visiting the show notes at

The guys run a great little studio and this is a cool interview where Rohan and Rob give a fantastic no-holds-barred insight into what it’s like to start and run a studio. And for those musos who aren’t necessarily interested in starting a studio- keep listening because Rohan and Rob give some fantastic tips that anyone who is about to enter the studio needs to hear.

As always I'd love to hear feedback from all of you, get in contact at:




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Matt Urmy is a former touring musician, now turned tech entrepreneur. When Matt was a touring artist he often had trouble organizing his contacts, managing finances and keeping track of gigs while on the road. Sound familiar to anyone?

Anyhow, Matt actually did something about it and created a cool new web based app and company called “Artist Growth”.

Artist Growth is a great web based app that helps musicians and managers streamline the touring process. It’s designed to help you sort your finances, merchandise, royalties and much more, all in one place that’s always available online. And it’s also a great discovery tool where record company A&R reps can also potentially find your stuff as well!

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There aren’t too many people with the credentials of my guest today, Mr. John P Kellogg. John is the Assistant Chair of the Music Business/Management department at the highly acclaimed Berklee College of Music in Boston, USA. He’s also the former vocalist of the American soul funk group Cameo, and a music business attorney.

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Today I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to speak with Maynard James Keenan who is probably best known for his work with his bands Tool, A Perfect Circle, and Puscifer. For those of you who don’t know Maynard is also a fully-fledged entrepreneur as well with a number of cool business ventures going on. He got a vineyard & winery as well as interests in Caduceus Cellars, an LA restaurant, Cobras Matadors, and owns an organic produce market. Plus he’s an excellent musician. And he kicks butt in Brazilian jujitsu. Quite the achiever!

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Today I’ve got another great guest on the show- And today it’s International licensing expert Aaron Davison, and I thought I’d make this episode of Music Business facts a bit of a focus on music licensing. Music licensing is not only a powerful promotional tool for your music but can potentially be really lucrative in terms of making some good bucks.

Direct download: 76._Aaron_Davison.mp3
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In this episode of Music Business Facts, Tom and Rodney really just shoot the breeze about the music business, podcasting, and a whole heap of other cool stuff! Tom Sabella is all the way over in Nashville, Tennessee and runs a podcast called “The Business Side OF Music” And you can check his stuff out over at


Direct download: 75._Tom_Sabella.mp3
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Dave Lombardo is a powerhouse drumming pioneer who literally changed the face of heavy metal music. His attack, speed, aggression and ingenuity on the double bass drums contributed to help make his old band Slayer, one of the most influential metal bands ever.

Direct download: 69._Dave_Lombardo.mp3
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My guests are Camille Cannings & Katie Jane Zahra. Camille and Katie are the co-founders of a Brisbane-based artist management company called ‘Sidekick’ Management. I recently caught up with Camille and Katie at The Bigsound Music Industry conference and showcase last month here in Brisbane Australia.

Direct download: 68._Camille_Cannings__Katie_Zahra.mp3
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My guest today is Chris O’Neil. Chris is the National Manager of the Writer services department for APRA- Which is The Australaisian Performing Right Association. And they are closely affiliated with AMCOS- Who are the Australiasian Mechanical Copyright Owners Society. If your serious about a career in the music business then you not only need to know what both of those acronyms stand for, but you also need to know what the organisations do.

Direct download: ONeil_Chris_-Export.mp3
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My guest today is Martine Cotton who is the founder and director of music industry professional development resource/community website:, A site that contains free, weekly how-to articles and premium course video interviews with successful working music industry figures, all explaining best contemporary practice. MIIO seeks to deliver authentic, real world music industry training and mentoring for the Australian music industry - not just musicians but their teams: managers, publicists, labels, event managers and much more.

Direct download: Martine_Cotton.mp3
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Def Leppard are an English rock act who have sold 100 million records.

They've been awarded the prestigious Record Industry Association of America "Diamond Record Sales Certification" twice. Including (2 X separate records selling over $10 million records each). 

Guitarist Phil Collen has achieved everything that any young kid who has ever played a band has ever dreamed of!

Here are The Music Business Facts according to Phil Collen.


Direct download: Def_leppard_Final.mp3
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On July 14 2015 Rodney Holder spoke with successful artist manager Gregg Donovan during a live webinar Titled "How To Successfully Self-Manage Your Music Career & Thrive In The Music Business".

This is a replay of that presentation including a live Q&A session with Gregg after the presentation.

At the end of the presentation Rodney and Gregg invited attendees to join their mentorship and education program. An online course titled "The Art Of Artist Management".

This is an 8 week online step by step guide to artist management and artist self management. Including Q&A with Gregg.

If you are interested in the course you can register at or contact

Direct download: Gregg_Donovan_Webinar_2.mp3
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Dan Biddle is a successful artist manager who formed TCO Artists (Taking Care Of Artists) in January2014 to handle Management for The McClymonts & The Adam Eckersley Band. 

He had previously held various marketing, promo &sales roles at Sony Music, Universal Music &BMG since 1998. 

Dan is also a member of theAmericana Association Australian Advisory Board.

A great interview about breaking into management and implementing management strategies.

Direct download: Dan_Biddle.mp3
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Legendary Pantera drummer and producer Vinnie Paul speaks with Rodney Holder of Music Business Facts about the state of the music industry, investing in strip clubs, and other entrepreneurial business ventures. 

Direct download: Vinnie_Paul_final.mp3
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Corinna Essa is the CEO of Social Media Worldwide, a company who not only specialises in social media but also operates a boutique social media service who can "be your voice". Her company can effectively organise and run your social media accounts & campaigns.

In this episode of Music Business Facts we discuss:

General marketing tips,

Social media marketing techniques to build your audience,

Mistakes bands make when using social media,

Strategies to make money from the internet including how to make money using twitter,

Affiliate marketing

And a whole lot more!


Direct download: Corinna_Essa.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 11:38pm AEDT

Mikael Akerfeldt is the lead vocalist and main songwriter of Swedish death, progressive, rock, alternative band Opeth.

In this episode of Mikael gives his insights into the music business based on his extensive industry experience.

Direct download: Mikael_Akerfeldt_Final.mp3
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Yngwie Malmsteen has been blowing minds across the globe with his incredible guitar skills and showmanship for over 35 years.

In this episode of Music Business Facts - Yngwie speaks with Rodney Holder about the "business" of being the "shredder's shedder", and sustaining such an awesome career for so many years.

A great insight into the business of one of the world's greatest and most influential guitarists.


Direct download: Malmsteen_Final.mp3
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In today's episode of Music business Facts I am lucky enough to briefly speak with legendary and influential guitarist Ace Frehley- The original (and best) space man from rock Gods KISS.

This is obviously an interesting episode of MBF because Ace doesn't care too much to talk about music business or money- preferring to outsource that stuff to his lawyers and personal assistances. 

Nonetheless it's still a super exciting episode where we discuss things like royalties, trademarks, merchandise, relationships with Gene and Paul and more. Enjoy

Direct download: Ace_Frehley_Final.mp3
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Jon Coghill was the rock solid drummer for very successful Australian rock band Powderfinger.

In this interview with Rodney Holder from Music Business Facts Jon discusses the inner business workings of the very successful rock band.

Much is discussed including earnings the band made, management, touring, image and much more. Enjoy!

Direct download: JCfinal.mp3
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In this interview Bill talks about his career as a professional full time musician making a living playing extreme heavy metal. 

He also discusses how the band is self managed by bass player Jeff Walker. And how money is his secondary motivation to his overwhelming urge to play music.

A nicer guy you couldn't meet and a legend of the extreme music movement!

Direct download: Bill_Steer_Podcast_MBF.mp3
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Today I was lucky enough to speak with Shane Embury from the legenday noise/grindcore/metal act- Napalm Death.

In this episode Shane Embury talks with Rodney Holder about the "Business" of Grindcore! 

Twenty seven years making a living playing extreme metal with Napalm Death.

Direct download: Shane_Embury_Final.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 10:11pm AEDT

If anybody has the credentials to talk about succeeding in the music business it's Dave Ellefson.

Dave Ellefson has experienced enormous success in the music business that many can only dream of. 

His band Megadeth is truely one of the great success stories in the history of heavy and thrash metal. 

In this interview Dave talks about that success, as well as offering numerous cool strategies for doing music business in 2015 

A must listen!

Direct download: Dave_Ellefson_Interview_Mastered_mp3.mp3
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Today I'm happy to present to you today my interview with one of Australia’s leading marketing experts Mr. Tim Reid.


Tim’s an authority on marketing as well as a bit of a celebrity in the podcasting world. He runs his own very informative marketing show called “Small Business Big Marketing, which I strongly suggest you go and check out.


So in this interview I just thought it would be cool to have a casual chat with Tim and pick his brains on marketing topics. 


During the conversation we discuss things like:

What is Marketing, the difference between concepts like Publicity, Promotion, Public relations and Advertising. Not to mention publicity stunts and marketing strategies.


Direct download: Tim_Read_Final.mp3
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Peter Clarke is a drummer whose big music break came when he moved to the US with up and coming guitarist Keith Urban.

In this episode of Music Business facts Peter tells the story of the trials and tribulations of trying to break into the world's biggest music market and the subsequent success that followed.

After Peter had parted ways with Keith Urban he also performed with other legendary Australian artists such as Leigh Kernaghan and Doc Neeson's Angles.

A great music business story. Enjoy

Direct download: Peter_Clarke.mp3
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Brian J Simon is an audio engineer who has worked in the music industry for over twenty-five years. 

Brian has mainly worked as a front of house audio engineer, but has also worked as a production manager, tour manager, monitor engineer and has also done backline.

Brian has worked with bands like The Monkeys, Night Ranger and The Little River Band. But for the past two and a bit years Brian has been FOH mixing one of the most successful and legendary rock bands of all time. Foreigner! (80 million album sales world-wide).

Direct download: BJS_final.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 1:57pm AEDT

Jim Runge is a professional tour manager and tour consultant who is currently working with The Black Keys.

Previously Jim has also worked for artists such as Machine Head, Alice in Chains, Susanne Vega, Ryan Adams and Rickie Lee Jones to name a few.

In this episode of Music Business Facts Jim talks about the facts of being a full time tour manager. Even if you're not interested in tour management as a career this is still a really interesting and educational story and insight into the music industry. Enjoy!

Category:general -- posted at: 3:09pm AEDT