Music Business Facts- with Rodney Holder


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July 2018
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Chris O’Brien is a bit of a legend in The Australian Music Scene. He’s the general manager of touring for Destroy All Lines and former general manager for Australia’s biggest touring metal festival Soundwave 2003-2015.

During the conversation we discuss a variety of things including how to get into the music business, management, touring and tour management, festivals, and a lot more. We also have a brief conversation about Soundwave and the demise of Australia’s largest metal festival. As well as a bit of a chat about AJ Maddah - the colourful character who ran Soundwave.

Chris is a very knowledgeable guy who has a lot of experience in the business so without further delay - I really hope you enjoy my conversation with Chris O’Brien- General Manager for Destroy All lines.

Well there you have it folks I hope you got something out of that discussion with Chris. Once again some recurring themes about believing in yourself, having a positive mindset, working hard, have realistic expectations. And if you’d like to connect with Chris O’Brien go to:


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Direct download: 115._Chris_OBrien.mp3
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Chris Boardman, Sebastian Wolff, and Xiao'an Li welcome you to Business Skills For Composers - a Facebook group for composers where discussions center solely around business related practices. It doesn't matter how much or how little experience you have - everyone is welcome to post in line with the group rules and requirements. You will be safe from judgement. A rising tide raises all ships. Let's not compete in a race to the bottom, but push each other to greater heights instead!

Join Business Skills for Composers here

  • Just under 5000 members.
  • My first 4 way live interview.
  • 3 of the admins of the group.
  • Sebastian Wolff - Seattle based, licencing & royalties.
  • Chris Boardman - University lecturer at University of Miami
  • Xiao’an Li -  (C Ow Anne) - Live presentations

During the interview we discuss a number of cool topics such as:

  • Song writing
  • Royalties
  • Music for film, TV and games
  • Commissions
  • Copyright and intellectual property in the United States
  • Music licensing
  • Performance rights organisations
  • Business skills
  • Opportunities for composers - like creating audio brands
  • A.I
  • And especially interesting, as the conversation has a US focus, the differences within different territories

So without further delay here’s my conversation with Sebastian Wolff, Chris Boardman, and Xiao’an Li from Business Skills For Composers. I hope you enjoy it!

Also, I’ve started my own music business Facebook group. I’ve called it the Music Industry Entrepreneurs Association and we're having some cool discussions in there. If you’d like to check it out then visit

Thanks so much again for listening. I really appreciate your support and I hope you got something out of today’s episode. If you haven’t already subscribed to the show - search me in either iTunes or Stitcher Radio and that way you’ll never miss an episode.

Direct download: 114._Business_Skills_for_Composers.mp3
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My Guest today is Rob Carroll.

Rob Carroll is the Managing Director of a Sydney based boutique PR and management company called Rare Finds.

Rare Finds aims to foster a scene within the local indie music community as well as provide unique touring opportunities for emerging artists - specifically on the east coast of Australia.

Rare Finds specialise in digital music servicing, management, consultancy, publicity, label services, and event production.

Rare Finds is also a subsidiary of Chugg Entertainment and for those of you who don’t know - Michael Chugg is a behemoth of a player in The Aussie music scene. They call Chuggy “The Godfather Of Australian Touring”.

And I was actually lucky enough to interview Michael Chugg way back in episode 3 of Music Business Facts:

Now that one is still an awesome interview but it’s frigging hilarious.

Anyhow, here’s my interview with Rob Carroll of Rare Finds- I hope you enjoy it.

Direct download: 113._Rob_Carroll_48kHz.mp3
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112. Nick Findlay- How To Get Your Music Played On Triple J

Nick Findlay has been working in radio since he was 16 and has been at Triple J for over 10 years. He is currently the station's Music Director.

In this interview Nick describes the best practises when pitching music to radio. He also tells us the strategies he recommends artists employ when they are looking to get their music played on Triple J.

This information could also obviously be used when pitching music to any radio station throughout the world.

There is also a free report which is the highlights of the interview. This can be obtained from


Direct download: Nick_Findlay_Final.mp3
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James Newcomb is the CEO of a podcast that helps musicians navigate music entrepreneurship. In this episode Rodney and James discuss issues surrounding the musician as an entrepreneur.

Direct download: James_Newcomb_draft.mp3
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Carl Neumann who is the owner and director of Heavy Magazine. Heavy is a digital Australian music resource, podcast, blog and more.

In this episode of Music Business Facts we discuss 'pitching' your products and services to industry gatekeepers.

Carl tells us how to obtain attention in a crowded marketplace and how to attract publicity opportunities for your music, shows and clients.


Direct download: Carl_Neumann_mastered.mp3
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Tim Charles is the epitome of a modern music business entrepreneur. He plays violin and sings with his Australian metal band Neobliviscaris.

He’s also a songwriter, booking agent, artist manager, tour manager, publicist, business executive, label manager, concert promoter, artist liaison, lecturer, teacher, key note presenter, consultant, content creator and social media manager.

On this episode of The Music Business Facts podcast Tim discusses the roles he performs to bring multiple streams of income into his business.

Direct download: Tim_Charles_mastered.mp3
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Phil Bauer is the Director Of New Business development @ CD Baby. CD Baby is a global digital distributor of online music. The represent over 650 000 recording artists and 100 000 songwriters.


Direct download: Phil_Bauer_final_not_mastered.mp3
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My guest today is Tony Boden.

Tony is a UK booking agent, promoter and head of European touring at - a company who look after an enormous roster of artists from all over the globe.

Recently I was able to sit down and have a one on one with Tony about his experiences, thoughts and opinions on the music business. And it was a great conversation.

In this episode we talk about being a booking agent, what they do, how to become one, being a concert promoter and all of the risks you face as a promoter - after all concert promoters are the ‘gamblers’ of the music business.

Tony’s doing some great things in the music industry and I hope you’ll agree that this is yet another interesting and informative episode of Music Business Facts.


Direct download: 107._Tony_Boden.mp3
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Benji Rogers is the Founder and Chief Strategy Officer of Pledge

Pledge Music is a global direct-to-fan platform that helps artists raise funds and create excellent pre-order campaigns.

Benji Rogers is also an accomplished musician and has been through the major label system himself. But now he is predominantly focused on helping ‘creatives’ raise the money required to bring their projects to life through his Pledge Music platform.

So I encourage all of you to check out the cool shit going on over at

Today, when I looked you’ve got artists like Black Sabbath using the platform right down to a stack of indie acts I’ve never heard of. Anyhow check out Pledge Music!



Direct download: 106._Benji_Rogers.mp3
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